The Big Book

Comes Alive

the Joe & Charlie study of Alcoholics Anonymous

Two old friends and the book that saved their lives. Across nine sessions recorded on the seminar circuit, Joe McQ. and Charlie P. take Alcoholics Anonymous apart page by page — the Doctor’s Opinion, Bill’s Story, and the Twelve Steps as a program of action. The audio has been restored and every word transcribed.

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AA History

The history behind the Big Book, and why the program in the book never changed.

1:11:46

Joe and Charlie open the seminar by tracing AA's founding history through the Forewords and Preface, showing how Bill, Dr. Bob, and the first 100 arrived at three pieces of knowledge: the problem, the solution, and the program of action.

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This opening session of "The Big Book Comes Alive" grounds the entire seminar in AA history, working through the Foreword to the Second Edition (Roman numeral 15), the Preface (Roman numeral 11), and the Foreword to the First Edition (Roman numeral 13). Joe McQ. and Charlie P. set the stage by reminding listeners that they are "just two old drunks" sharing what they've learned, and that the goal of the weekend is to study the book Alcoholics Anonymous itself, not the present-day fellowship.

The heart of the session is the story of how the program came together. Charlie walks through Ebby Thatcher carrying a solution and program of action to Bill Wilson's kitchen, Dr. Silkworth teaching Bill the nature of the illness (the physical allergy of the body and the obsession of the mind), and Bill's realization in the lobby of the Mayflower Hotel that to save himself he must find another alcoholic. That leads to the meeting with Dr. Bob, the sobering of Bill Dotson (the "man on the bed"), and the summer of 1935 in Akron when the founders learned as much from their failures as their successes. Joe and Charlie distill it all to three things every recovering alcoholic must know: the problem (Step One, powerless), the solution (Step Two, a power greater than ourselves), and the program of action (Steps Three through Twelve).

From the history they turn to how the book is built. Joe, a printer by trade, explains that the book is laid out deliberately: the Doctor's Opinion and Bill's Story define the problem, chapters two through four present the solution, and chapters five through seven give the program of action. They argue that the great mistake in AA today is handing a newcomer the book and sending them straight to "How It Works" (chapter five) without first laying the groundwork of the Doctor's Opinion. Charlie develops the textbook analogy and Joe's algebra/mathematics analogy to show why sequence matters, and the two contrast the early recovery rates cited in the Second Edition Foreword with the much lower rates they see today, attributing the difference to the fellowship drifting from the program in the book.

Memorable threads include Charlie's strawberry cake analogy (follow the precise, specific, clear-cut directions or you'll bake a different cake), the sauerkraut-juice-and-honey remedy of Dr. Bob's, the naming of the book (the Way Out, Comes the Dawn, One Hundred Men, the Bill W. Movement), and Joe's candid, often funny account of his marriages, the preacher, and the psychiatrist who diagnosed a "vitamin deficiency" and never mentioned drinking. The session closes with Charlie quoting the book of Proverbs to show that alcoholism is nothing new, and that the book endures because alcoholics, alcohol, and human nature never change.

Chapters

  1. Introductions and the spirit of the seminar
  2. Foreword to the Second Edition: the spark in Akron, 1935
  3. Ebby Thatcher brings Bill the solution and program of action
  4. Dr. Silkworth and the nature of the illness: allergy and obsession
  5. Bill works with alcoholics; Silkworth's advice on the message
  6. Akron, the Mayflower Hotel, and the meeting with Dr. Bob
  7. Carrying the problem, not the solution, to Dr. Bob
  8. Bill Dotson, the man on the bed; the first three recover
  9. Summer of 1935: learning from failures
  10. The first groups form; the decision to write a book
  11. Naming the book Alcoholics Anonymous
  12. How the fellowship drifted from the program in the book
  13. Early recovery rates and the charge to the listener
  14. How the book is laid out: problem, solution, action
  15. The chapters correspond to the Steps
  16. The textbook analogy and starting newcomers at chapter five
  17. Foreword to the First Edition: 'We' and 'recovered'
  18. Charlie's strawberry cake: precise, clear-cut directions
  19. Joe's story: the alcoholic as a very sick person
  20. The Doctor's Opinion and why we never understood the problem
  21. Solomon and Proverbs: alcoholism is nothing new

From this session

We're just two old drunks met together several years ago, found we had a mutual interest in the big book.Charlie ·
I think maybe we ought to give credit to those they failed with that summer, too. They probably learned more from their failures than they did from their successes.Charlie ·
The program in the fellowship has definitely changed. The program in the book has never changed.Charlie ·
I think the greatest mistake being made in AA today. Newcomer comes to the door, we hand them the book, and we say, Go to chapter 5 and do what it says, and you'll be okay. And they go to chapter 5 and they run into a series of algebra problems.Charlie ·
I'll never be cured of alcoholism, but I have recovered from a state of mind and body known as alcoholism.Charlie ·
I feel like a no-good, rotten SOB, and I'm guilty of everything in the world, so I must be a no-good, rotten SOB, and I thought that was what alcoholism was. Turns out that it wasn't.Joe ·

The Doctor's Opinion

Dr. Silkworth's letter and the two-fold illness: the allergy of the body and the obsession of the mind.

57:05

Joe and Charlie work through "The Doctor's Opinion," unpacking Dr. Silkworth's letter to explain alcoholism as a two-fold illness: a physical allergy that produces the phenomenon of craving once drinking starts, and a mental obsession that tells the alcoholic it is okay to drink again.

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This session covers "The Doctor's Opinion," the Roman-numeral pages that open the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous. Charlie sets the historical stage with the long search to define alcoholism, from Dr. Trotter in England and Dr. Benjamin Rush in early America to Dr. William Silkworth, who at the Towns Hospital in 1930 began to see alcoholics cycle in and out and concluded that alcohol produces an actual physical craving in some bodies that it does not produce in others. The teachers explain why Silkworth insisted the chapter be called an "opinion" and kept his name off the first edition, and how his name was restored in the second edition once the medical profession recognized alcoholism as an illness.

The heart of the episode is the two-fold nature of the illness. Joe and Charlie spend most of their time on the word "allergy," which Charlie famously redefines from the dictionary as "an abnormal reaction." Charlie contrasts the normal, temperate drinker, who gets a relaxing, slightly dizzy, nauseous downer effect and stops at one or two, with the alcoholic, for whom alcohol is an upper that produces an in-control, exciting feeling and a body that demands more of the same. They read Silkworth's "phenomenon of craving" and his five types of drinkers, landing on "type five," the person entirely normal except in the effect alcohol has upon them.

Charlie then walks through the metabolism diagram, the modern science that, he argues, turns Silkworth's opinion into fact: in the alcoholic body the enzymes from the liver and pancreas fail to finish breaking acetone down, so it lingers and produces craving that climbs with every drink, making a progressive illness that worsens with bodily damage and aging. He uses the analogy of his friend who is allergic to fish yet keeps eating it because something in his mind gives him permission. That pivots the talk to the obsession of the mind, the chapter's note that men and women drink because they like the effect, the restless, irritable and discontented sober state, and the futility of willpower, which evaporates the moment the mind sees nothing wrong with drinking.

Memorable along the way: Charlie's description of his tongue-tied youth on the outside looking in and the night moonshine let him ask a girl to dance and take her home in the back seat of a '36 Chevrolet; his account of watching a "normal" drinker stir and stir a drink on an airplane and then read a magazine instead of drinking it; Joe's wife Phyllis insisting "everybody we know drinks just like we do"; and the closing read of the "psychic change," named here as the spiritual awakening that the Twelve Steps bring about, the only path out when the body cannot drink safely and the mind cannot keep from drinking.

Chapters

  1. History of defining alcoholism: Trotter, Rush, and Dr. Silkworth
  2. Reading the doctor's letter: body as abnormal as the mind
  3. The allergy theory makes sense of the alcoholic experience
  4. Key word 'allergy': Charlie goes to the dictionary
  5. Normal vs. abnormal reaction: alcohol as downer vs. upper
  6. Watching a normal drinker on the airplane
  7. The phenomenon of craving and chronic alcoholism
  8. Silkworth's five types of drinkers; 'type five'
  9. The metabolism diagram: acetone and progressive craving
  10. The fish allergy analogy: the problem in the mind
  11. The obsession of the mind: drinking for the effect
  12. Restless, irritable, discontented; the failure of willpower
  13. The psychic change and the Twelve Steps as the solution

From this session

You see, I kept looking for the rash, I kept looking for the dysentery. No, you don't see our allergy, you feel it, and only we alcoholics. feel itCharlie ·
I'm sitting there watching him saying, drink the damn stuff. What the hell did you get it for? That's what we call alcohol abuse. Now that may be normal, but I call that sick to drink like that.Charlie ·
Hell, I drank 26 years. I never did get all the alcohol I wanted. I got a hell of a lot more than I needed, more than I could stand, but I never got all I wanted.Charlie ·
If you and I could drink without getting drunk, where would we be? We'd be out there drinking without getting drunk. But you see, we can't do that.Charlie ·
I loved what alcohol did to me, for me. Not to me, but for me.Charlie ·
The only time willpower is there is when the mind sees something wrong with what it wants to do, and just before we drink, we don't see anything wrong with drinking.Charlie ·

Bill's Story

Joe & Charlie walk through "Bill's Story" — alcoholism's progression and the first hints of all 12 Steps.

51:30

A close reading of "Bill's Story," the opening chapter of the Big Book, tracing Bill Wilson's slide from exciting success to drinking for oblivion, and his recovery through Ebby, Dr. Silkworth, and the Oxford Group tenets that became the Twelve Steps.

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This session covers "Bill's Story," the first chapter of the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous. Building on the previous night's discussion of the physical allergy and the obsession of the mind, Joe and Charlie present Bill Wilson as the textbook example of an alcoholic who had both — a man placed at the front of the book so that any reader could identify with him and begin to believe and hope. They stress that identification comes not from Bill's surface details (Wall Street speculator, night-school lawyer, older man) but from the way he thinks, acts, and drinks.

Working line by line through the chapter, they trace the progression of Bill's disease: the war years where he discovered liquor and "moments sublime with intervals hilarious," the great drive for success on Wall Street, the motorcycle journey up the eastern seaboard with Lois that made his name, the 1929 crash, and the steady descent until liquor "ceased to be a luxury — it became a necessity." They follow him through failed willpower, questioning his own sanity, contemplating suicide, and finally drinking for "complete oblivion," landing in Towns Hospital 40 pounds underweight under Dr. Silkworth's Belladonna treatment.

The second half follows Bill's recovery. Charlie reads his admission of complete defeat ("Alcohol was my master") as the clearest description of Step One ever written. Then comes Ebby Thatcher — the old school friend gone sober through the Oxford Group — whose simple suggestion, "Why don't you choose your own conception of God?", melts Bill's resistance to religion and becomes his Step Two. Joe and Charlie then read the famous Towns Hospital passages and map each Oxford Group tenet (surrender, examine your sins, restitution) onto the last ten Steps Bill would later write, showing how the entire program is foreshadowed in his own story.

Along the way they share the backstory behind the text: Ebby shooting at pigeons and the two men (Roland Hazard and Sebra Graves) who interceded with the judge; the Jersey Lightning Applejack that triggered Bill's allergy and blew a business deal; Bill's grandfather Griffith, who believed in a power greater than himself but let no preacher tell him how; and the "wonderfully effective spiritual structure" built on the foundation of willingness. They close on faith without works being dead, and how working with another alcoholic kept Bill sober when nothing else would — pointing ahead to the next chapter, "There Is a Solution."

Chapters

  1. Recap of the problem; why Bill's Story opens the book
  2. Joe on identifying with Bill; page one and the war years
  3. Wall Street, the motorcycle trip, and arriving at the top
  4. The 1929 crash and losing it all
  5. Liquor becomes a necessity; drinking to live
  6. The Jersey Lightning Applejack and the failed deal
  7. Willpower fails, sanity questioned, drinking for oblivion
  8. Towns Hospital, Dr. Silkworth, and the Belladonna treatment
  9. Complete defeat: the description of Step One
  10. Ebby Thatcher's story and the Oxford Group
  11. Bill's struggle with religion and a personal God
  12. "Choose your own conception of God" — Step Two
  13. Towns Hospital: the Oxford tenets become the last ten Steps
  14. The spiritual experience and turning to help others

From this session

if we look for the way Bill thinks, and the way Bill acts, and the way Bill drinks, if we're a real alcoholic, there's not an alcoholic in this room that can identify with Bill Wilson.Charlie ·
they try to tell us we are weak-willed people. Don't you believe that? We are strong-willed people. Weak-willed people do not become alcoholic. Third time they vomit, they quit drinking.Charlie ·
I've never seen a better description of step one. No step one written in those days, but surely this, is where Bill took it. He admitted complete defeat. Alcohol had whipped him in a fair fight.Charlie ·
religion says this is the way you have to believe. Spirituality says it really doesn't make any difference how you believe. The only question is: are you willing to believe?Charlie ·
There, I humbly offered myself to God as I then understood Him, to do with me as He would. I placed myself unreservedly under his care and direction.Joe ·
Faith without works is dead. And you noticed about anybody I see drink today that's been in AA for any period of time, usually they have quit working with other people.Charlie ·

More About Alcoholism

Joe & Charlie on "More About Alcoholism": insanity, the obsession, and four lives undone by a lie.

33:35

Joe and Charlie walk through the Big Book chapter "More About Alcoholism," defining the insanity of Step Two as believing a lie about alcohol and tracing it through the man of 30, Jim, the jaywalker, and Fred.

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This session covers the Big Book chapter "More About Alcoholism" (pages 30-43), read closely against Step Two's promise that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity. Charlie opens by reframing what "insanity" actually means: not the crazy things done while drunk (those come from alcohol lowering inhibitions), but a mind that is "less than whole" and so cannot always see the truth. He uses the pie analogy, cutting a pie into ten pieces and giving slices away, to show that insanity doesn't mean you're all gone, just that you're "not quite all here." The recurring test throughout the chapter: stone-cold sober, just before the first drink, can the alcoholic see the truth about alcohol or not? If yes, sane; if not, insane.

A key teaching is Charlie's catch that Bill W. uses four interchangeable words, obsession, illusion, delusion, and insanity, all meaning to believe something that is not true. Joe and Charlie then study Bill's four examples in turn. The man of 30 stays bone-dry 25 years, retires, believes his discipline has qualified him to drink like other men, and is dead within four years. Jim, the car salesman Joe says he loves and identifies with, walks step by step through a perfectly normal, sane day (irritation at the boss, a drive in the country, a sandwich and milk) until the sudden insane thought that whiskey in milk on a full stomach can't hurt him. The jaywalker who gets a thrill skipping in front of fast-moving vehicles, breaking bones and his skull and finally his back, illustrates conduct that is absurd and incomprehensible with respect to the first drink. Fred, the high-bottom accountant on top of the world, gets drunk the same way Jim did, off guard, on the thought that a couple of cocktails would be nice with dinner.

The throughline Joe and Charlie keep returning to is that the real problem centers in the mind telling the alcoholic he can drink, rather than in the body that ensures he can't. The chapter closes "once more": the alcoholic at certain times has no effective mental defense against the first drink, and that defense must come from a Higher Power. Charlie ends personally and candidly, describing the dilemma this creates for someone raised on hellfire-and-brimstone religion, recounting how at 12 or 13 a preacher told him that thinking about doing it was just as bad as doing it, how he defied God, his parents, and his teachers, and how he arrived in AA at 38 with the spiritual knowledge of a 12-year-old, which sets up the next chapter, "We Agnostics."

Chapters

  1. Step Two and what "restored to sanity" really means
  2. Defining sanity: wholeness of mind and the pie analogy
  3. "More About Alcoholism" as more truth about alcoholism
  4. Four words, one meaning: obsession, illusion, delusion, insanity
  5. The man of 30: 25 years dry, dead in four
  6. The problem is in the mind, not the body
  7. Jim the car salesman: a sane day, an insane thought
  8. Whiskey in the milk: plain insanity
  9. The jaywalker: absurd and incomprehensible conduct
  10. Fred: the high-bottom drunk who lost nothing
  11. "Once more": no mental defense, the need for a Higher Power
  12. Charlie on hellfire religion and arriving in AA at 38

From this session

Insanity does not mean you're all gone. It just means you're not quite all here.Charlie ·
So you may see him using any one of four terms: obsession, illusion, delusion, or insanity. All four mean exactly the same thing: to believe something that is not true or to believe a lie.Charlie ·
The real problem centers in our mind, telling us we can drink rather than in our body that ensures that we can't drink.Charlie ·
This is absolute insanity, isn't it? For this guy to believe that he can take whiskey, mix it with milk, and take it on a full stomach, and it won't hurt him.Charlie ·
We're talking about one thing and one thing only. Can we or can we not see the truth about alcohol? If we can, we're sane. If we can't, we're insane.Charlie ·
When I got to AA, I had that attitude of a 12-year-old boy who had defied God, his parents, and his teachers.Charlie ·

We Agnostics

Joe & Charlie walk through "We Agnostics" — belief, Step Two, and finding God within.

37:57

Joe McQ. and Charlie P. study Chapter 4, "We Agnostics," tracing the move from atheist or agnostic to true believer and showing how Step Two is built on simple belief or willingness to believe. They use Columbus and the formula of willingness-belief-decision-action to explain how God's power is found, then arrive at the discovery that God dwells deep within.

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This session covers Chapter 4 of the Big Book, "We Agnostics," and the heart of Step Two. Joe opens by returning to Dr. Jung's idea that the ideas, emotions, and attitudes that guide the alcoholic must be cast aside, noting that his own ideas about God had never matured past those of a seven- or eight-year-old boy. They define the word "agnostic" as "without knowledge" and lay out the three possible positions on God — atheist, agnostic, and true believer — concluding that most people arrive in AA as agnostics who believe in some God but have never turned to that power or experienced it in their lives.

From page 45 onward, Joe and Charlie point out, the book stops talking about alcohol entirely and asks only one question: if you are powerless, how do you find the power, because the power will solve the problem. They work through the book's reassurances on pages 46-47 — that we need not consider another's conception of God, that our own conception, however inadequate, is enough to make the approach. Joe shares his sponsor George's suggestion to write down on a piece of paper what he would like God to be, and the permission that gave him to begin. Both men frame the chapter as the casting aside of old ideas (prejudice, the narrow exclusive path, hellfire and brimstone) and their replacement with new ones.

Charlie draws the key distinction between belief and faith using the analogy of taking a car to a recommended mechanic named John: you start on belief, act, get results, and only then arrive at faith. He extends this with the extended Columbus story — Columbus as the "drunk" who believed he could get east by sailing west, financed by a woman, who followed the universal formula for changing anything: willingness (made by circumstances), belief, decision, action, results, and finally faith. They map that formula onto the Steps, noting we cannot make a newcomer willing; only the whiskey does that.

The session closes on the question of where God is found. Charlie recounts his boyhood confusion watching the minister point up while looking down. Joe tells the parable of the three wise men of the East who hid the crown of life within man himself, leading into page 55 — that deep down in every man, woman, and child is the fundamental idea of God, the great reality found within. Charlie describes the inner voice he ignored and got into trouble for ignoring, concluding that if God dwells within, then he has his own personal God, and he is now ready to make a decision — setting up the next chapter, "How It Works."

Chapters

  1. Casting aside old ideas, emotions, and attitudes about God
  2. The two questions and the 44-question lists (Wino Joe)
  3. Atheist, agnostic, or true believer — and lack of power as our dilemma
  4. Our own conception of God is enough; George and writing it down
  5. Casting aside the old idea, replacing it with a new one
  6. Belief versus faith — the mechanic named John
  7. Material progress, fixed ideas, and the need for an open mind
  8. Columbus and the formula: willingness, belief, decision, action
  9. Where is God? The three wise men and page 55 — God within
  10. The inner voice, your own personal God, ready to decide

From this session

Those are us who are without knowledge. And that was me. And the knowledge that I did have was not good.Joe ·
Lack of power, that was our dilemma. We had to find a power by which we could live, and it had to be a power greater than ourselves, obviously.Charlie ·
You can't start with faith, you can only start with belief. And that's all we have to do.Charlie ·
When he left, he didn't know where he was going. When he got there, he didn't know where he was. When he got back, he didn't even know where he'd been.Charlie ·
We'll hide it within himself, and he'll never think about looking for it there.Joe ·
If he dwells within me, then he's my own personal God, and he and I can come together in very simple, very understandable terms.Charlie ·

How it Works

Where to find God, the writing of "How It Works," and the decision of Step Three.

1:07:34

Joe and Charlie finish the spiritual ground-clearing on page 55 and move into "How It Works," tracing the dramatic history of the Twelve Steps' wording before unpacking Step Three and the basic instincts of life.

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This session bridges the close of "We Agnostics" and the opening of the chapter "How It Works," covering Steps Three and the conclusions of Steps One and Two. Joe and Charlie begin on page 55, where the Big Book locates God not in the sky but "deep down within us." Charlie tells of his childhood picture of God as a tall, robed old man on a cloud, and Joe shares a sponsee's story of the three wise men who hid the crown of life within man himself, the one place he would never think to look. From there they argue that the chapter order is deliberate: only after one's concept of God has shifted from hellfire-and-brimstone to a kind and loving God is a person ready to make a decision.

The heart of the episode is the history behind "How It Works." Joe and Charlie describe Bill Wilson's struggle to write Chapter Five for a fellowship split three ways over God, his prayer and the pencil that "raced across the pages," and the fierce fights that followed when the New York members forced him to soften "directions" to "suggestions," "you" to "we," and "must" to "ought." Joe reads the original manuscript version of How It Works and the Twelve Steps so listeners can hear what Bill wrote that night versus what the fellowship made him change, and they note how Bill quietly put the stronger language back two pages later.

They then teach that Steps One and Two are not action steps but conclusions of the mind drawn from the Doctor's Opinion and the first four chapters, leaving Step Three as the first real decision. Charlie distinguishes deciding from doing with his three-year story of finally driving to Los Angeles, and both define "will" as thinking and "life" as actions, anchored by the analogy of a legal will. A long central section draws on the Twelve and Twelve's three basic instincts of life, social, security, and sex, to explain self-will, the insatiable chase for more, and how overdoing in these God-given areas creates the wreckage. The episode closes on page 62-63 with selfishness as the root of our troubles, God as the new "principal" and director, the keystone of the triumphant arch, the Third Step prayer, and the value of taking Step Three with another person.

Chapters

  1. Where is God? Page 55 and finding Him within
  2. The three wise men and the crown of life hidden within
  3. Charlie's own personal God and being ready to decide
  4. Bill's problem: writing steps that offend no one
  5. The Oxford absolutes, three factions, and the pencil that raced
  6. How It Works from the original manuscript
  7. The original Twelve Steps read aloud
  8. Directions vs. suggestions: the fight and the compromise
  9. Steps One and Two as conclusions, not action steps
  10. Step Three: deciding versus doing; will and life defined
  11. The Twelve and Twelve and the three basic instincts of life
  12. Page 62: selfishness as the root of our troubles
  13. God as director, the keystone, and the Third Step prayer
  14. Taking Step Three with another person

From this session

I'll tell you what we'll do, we'll hide it within himself. And he'll never think about looking for it there.Joe ·
If he dwells within me, then he's my own personal God, and he and I can come together in very simple, very understandable terms.Charlie ·
it felt as if the pencil had a mind of its own as it raced across the pages. In less than 30 minutes, he had written How It Works.Charlie ·
No, we don't turn anything over to God in step three. We make a decision to do something in step three.Charlie ·
All action is born in thought.Charlie ·
He doesn't want the alcohol, he wants me. And he wants all of me.Charlie ·

Working the 4th Step

Step Four made simple: the Big Book's resentment, fear, and sex inventory, column by column.

2:43:47

Joe and Charlie walk through Step Four exactly as the Big Book lays it out, showing how the resentment, fear, and sex inventories are simple fact-finding columns rather than a frightening life story. They demonstrate filling out each sheet and using the Step Four prayers to clear what blocks us from God.

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This session covers Step Four and the chapter "How It Works" in Alcoholics Anonymous, beginning at the bottom of page 63 and working through the inventory instructions on pages 64 to 70, with side trips to page 18, page 67, and the personal story on page 551. Joe McQ. and Charlie P. argue that the Big Book's instructions for Step Four have always been there in plain sight, but are so simple that alcoholics overlook them while chasing something more complicated. They tackle the procrastination and fear around the step head on, insisting that done by the book there is nothing to be afraid of, no list of dirty, filthy, nasty items, and nothing too complicated.

Charlie develops Bill Wilson's central comparison between a commercial inventory and a personal one: fact-finding and fact-facing, the search for truth about the stock in trade, and the disclosure of damaged and unsaleable goods to be gotten rid of promptly and without regret. He maps the "little store" in the alcoholic's head, with display cases full of resentments, a file cabinet full of fear, and a back storeroom full of guilt and remorse, all blocking God out. The pair then teach the resentment sheet one column at a time straight off page 65, then the fear inventory and the sex inventory, showing how the same five columns reveal how resentful and fearful we really are, that it is not the people but what they did, and ultimately that it is how we choose to react based on our relationship with God and our basic instincts.

Memorable illustrations carry the teaching: Charlie's 92-page life story thrown in the wastebasket; the football quarterback hit in the air and the announcer's slow-motion "resentment replay machine"; the alcoholic's get-even machine; the neighbor who paints his house and shames the whole street into cleanup as the right use of a resentment; and the cow that never lands on a psychiatrist's couch over sex. Joe shares his own inventory of Rose, while Charlie works his resentments toward Barbara and the Internal Revenue Service across all three sheets. They lean hard on the Step Four prayers, reading the woman on page 551 whose 25-year resentment against her mother dissolved through praying for her, and Charlie's own "give that son of a bitch everything he deserves" prayer that slowly became genuine goodwill.

Throughout, Joe and Charlie stress that this is a positive process, not a negative one: as resentments, fears, and selfish sex motives are removed, nature abhors a vacuum and God's thinking rushes in as love, patience, tolerance, compassion, goodwill, faith, and courage. They reject victimhood, insisting that justified resentments kill just as surely as unjustified ones, and close by noting that the completed sheets supply everything needed for Steps Four through Nine, leaving the listener with a Step Four that can be finished with a sponsor in a couple of evenings.

Chapters

  1. Page 63: house cleaning and when to take Step Four
  2. Why we procrastinate: fear, confusion, and the life-story trap
  3. The business inventory comparison: fact-finding and damaged goods
  4. The little store in our heads: resentment, fear, guilt and remorse
  5. Resentment defined: re-feeling and the replay machine
  6. Filling the resentment sheet: columns one, two, and three
  7. Joe's and Charlie's examples: Barbara, the IRS, and Rose
  8. Why resentment is fatal and the Step Four prayer
  9. Page 551 and praying your resentments away
  10. Columns four and five: what did I do, and the character defects
  11. The fear inventory and outgrowing fear
  12. Now about sex: reviewing our own conduct
  13. Shaping a sane sex ideal and harms other than sexual
  14. Summing up: everything for Steps 4 through 9

From this session

We heard a professional in the field one time counseling people to wait a minimum of two years. And our question back to that person was: how many people have you killed with that statement?Charlie ·
The instructions are there, but they are so simple that we alcoholics, with our keen intellectual alcoholic minds, looking for something more complicated, overlook the simplicity of step forward.Charlie ·
I'm not going to let those people, alive or dead, live in my head rent-free any longer.Charlie ·
If you've got a resentment that you don't want to get rid of, for God's sake, don't pray about them. Because if you do, you're going to lose it. I know, I speak from experience.Charlie ·
It takes two people to make a prison, the prisoner and the jailer. You have to turn them loose and let them out and turn them loose.Joe ·
I always thought I was over sex, and that caused me to do those things. But in Column three, I found out, hell, I'm not oversexed, I'm under secure.Charlie ·

Steps 5, 6, 7, and 8

Working Steps 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9 line by line through "Into Action."

1:08:15

Joe and Charlie walk through Steps Five, Six, Seven, Eight, and Nine from the "Into Action" chapter of the Big Book, showing how confession to another human being, willingness, and amends restore the alcoholic in all three dimensions of life.

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This session covers the chapter "Into Action" (Big Book page 72 onward) and works through Steps Five, Six, Seven, Eight, and Nine. Joe and Charlie open with Step Five on page 72, stressing that a solitary self-appraisal is insufficient and that the inventory must be shared with another human being who knows the program. Charlie relays Bill W.'s own explanation (from two women who worked with him) that "wrong," "defect," and "shortcoming" mean identically the same thing, and that Bill simply varied his words to avoid repetition. Joe describes doing his Fifth Step with his sponsor Franklin in Olive Branch, Mississippi, beginning with the Third Step prayer, and reads the promises that follow Step Five.

The heart of the talk is Steps Six and Seven, which the pair call "the tools of change." They point out the paradox that two of the biggest steps occupy only two short paragraphs. Charlie explains that God will not do for us what we can do for ourselves: we must find the opposite of each defect (unselfishness for selfishness, honesty for dishonesty, courage for fear, consideration for inconsideration) and practice it until the old habit dies and a new one takes its place. They warn that accepting this makes you responsible for what you are, with no more blaming Barbara, mother and dad, God, or society. Joe illustrates with the salad-store story of being given change for a twenty after paying with a ten, and going back to return it. The conversion of Saul into Paul ("the secret to living is daily dying") and Judas's inability to accept what he had done frame Six and Seven as acceptance after action.

Steps Eight and Nine cover the list of those harmed and making direct amends. Charlie shares his sponsor's "right now, later, maybe, never" four-list method for becoming willing, and the principle of equal restitution for material harms paid off a little at a time. Memorable stories include Dr. Bob's last drunk and final beer on AA's birthday (January 10, 1935), after which he spent the day making amends up and down the street; Dan, who took twenty-nine years to pay back everyone and "felt about eight foot tall"; and Joe's amends to his cousin Gary, his daughter Gail, and his ex-wife Phyllis ("I'm not paying anymore"). The episode closes with the Ninth Step promises, which Charlie rereads substituting "whenever I took a drink of alcohol" for each line, showing that the first nine steps now do for him exactly what alcohol once did when it was still his friend, and never turned against him.

Chapters

  1. Page 72: Into Action, not into thinking
  2. Wrongs, defects, shortcomings: Bill's interchangeable words
  3. Step Five: a solitary self-appraisal is insufficient
  4. The double life and why we take the Fifth to another person
  5. Doing the Fifth Step with sponsor Franklin; the promises
  6. The hour's rest; checking the arch (Step Six)
  7. The paradox: Six and Seven, the tools of change; Saul to Paul
  8. The salad-store story: practicing honesty
  9. Step Eight: making the list and becoming willing
  10. The four lists: right now, later, maybe, never
  11. Step Nine: approaching the man we hated; cousin Gary
  12. Equal restitution and paying creditors; Dan's story
  13. Amends to Gail and Phyllis; we don't crawl before anyone
  14. The Ninth Step promises, reread as alcohol once worked

From this session

More than most people, the alcoholic leads a double life. He's very much the actor.Charlie ·
God will do for me what I can't do for myself. I simply do not have the power to remove a character defect. Only God has that power. God will not do for me what I can do for myself.Charlie ·
The paradox is that two of the biggest steps in all of Alcoholics Anonymous is on two little paragraphs, six and seven. And these are the tools of change, these are the tools of acceptance.Joe ·
And he said, the secret to living is daily dying. The old Saul had to die, so the new Paul came alive.Joe ·
He never would make amends before because he was afraid people would find out he was alcoholic, and he would lose what little practice he had left. He didn't know that everybody already knew he was alcoholic.Charlie ·
I suddenly realized that the first nine steps of Alcoholics Anonymous are doing just exactly for me what alcohol used to do for me when alcohol was my friend.Charlie ·

Steps 10, 11, and 12

Steps 10, 11, and 12: the fourth dimension, daily inventory, prayer, and carrying the message.

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Joe and Charlie finish the Big Book study with Steps Ten, Eleven, and Twelve, reframing them as steps of continued growth: a daytime spot-check inventory, a developed life of prayer and meditation, and carrying this message to other alcoholics.

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Joe McQ. and Charlie P. close out their study of the Big Book by walking through the maintenance steps, Steps Ten, Eleven, and Twelve, drawing on the directions in "Into Action" (pages 84-88), "Working with Others" (pages 92-94), and the final page of "A Vision for You" (page 164). They frame these steps not as bare maintenance to keep us sober but as the steps that move us into what Bill calls a fourth dimension of existence, a way of living we continue to grow into in our relationship with God, with ourselves, and with other people.

On Step Ten, Joe points out that the program took the steps off the page and put them on cards and walls but left the instructions in the book, so people try to work the steps with no directions. He reclaims Step Ten as a daytime, walking-around step (the nighttime portion belongs to Step Eleven), and Charlie shows how following the book's directions means quietly doing Steps Four through Nine every day. He describes his own spot-check when he gets "screwed up at nine o'clock in the morning": asking who he is mad at, what part of self is affected, which character defect came back, then asking God to remove it, telling his sponsor, and making amends quickly, all in ten or twenty minutes. They read the Step Ten promises, that sanity returns and we recoil from liquor as from a hot flame because the problem has been removed.

For Step Eleven, Charlie tackles the problem of teaching spiritually bankrupt people to pray and meditate when Bill Wilson did not know how either, so he gave us definite, valuable suggestions instead. They cover the nighttime review, the self-will versus God-will inventory sheet, and the morning meditation, illustrated with Joe's long routine of caring for the body, feeding the cat, checking the car's tires and fuel, while doing nothing for the mind that runs the whole show. They explain "a form of meditation for busy people," prayer only for knowledge of His will and the power to carry it out, and Charlie's testimony of getting far beyond what he would have asked for: Iceland, Paris, the train under the English Channel. Joe shares how reading the morning meditation aloud led to praying with his wife, twenty-one years without a divorce.

On Step Twelve, they turn to "Working with Others" as a clear manual for the twelve-step call and sponsorship: share your story, show the alcoholic the allergy and the obsession, then the program of action, just as the Big Book itself is the twelfth step in print. They unpack the three pieces of the step, the spiritual awakening as a personality change sufficient to recover, carrying this message, and practicing these principles in all our affairs, at home, with children, and on the job. The episode ends with Joe retelling two stories from "that other book," the sick man let down through the roof by his friends and Legion in the cave, and the closing reading of page 164.

Chapters

  1. The fourth dimension: the last three steps as growth, not maintenance
  2. Step 10 as a daytime, walking-around step
  3. Doing Steps 4-9 daily: Charlie's spot-check at nine in the morning
  4. The Step 10 promises: sanity returns, the problem is removed
  5. Developing a sixth sense through prayer and meditation
  6. Step 11 nighttime review and the self-will / God-will inventory sheet
  7. The morning meditation: feeding the mind like we feed the body
  8. How to pray: only for knowledge of His will and the power to carry it out
  9. Praying with a spouse; pausing through the day
  10. Step 12: how to work with others, sponsor, and carry the message
  11. Stories from the other book: the man let down through the roof, and Legion
  12. Closing on page 164: abandon yourself to God, the road of happy destiny

From this session

It looks to me like if we follow the directions in the book, that we will be doing steps 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9 every day on a daily basis for the rest of our lives. I would defy anybody in this room to do 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9 on a daily basis and stay the way you are.Charlie ·
I looked up one day and I didn't, I said, What happened to that desire of drink that I used to have? It's just gone. I mean, it was just gone, seemingly without any effort on my part. I found the power, and the power solved the problem.Joe ·
Bill Wilson is faced with the job of teaching people who are spiritually bankrupt how to pray and meditate, and Bill Wilson don't know how to do it either. Thank God he didn't.Charlie ·
People who have been self-willed like us, who have literally destroyed ourselves on self-will, we don't need to be telling God what we want. God knows what we need, and if we do His will, he's going to see that we get it.Charlie ·
Aren't we really saying that we have a set of tools that if we practice them in all our affairs, we can be peaceful, happy, free, and serene 24 hours a day, 365 days a year if we wish to.Charlie ·
I said to my sponsor one time, I said, Well, I'm afraid to work with another person. I'm afraid I'll hurt them. And he said, Charlie, you can't hurt them. He said, They're going to die from alcoholism, anyhow.Charlie ·